As promised last week, yesterday, the House Oversight subcommittee held a hearing on UAPs/UFOs, featuring witness testimony from whistleblower David Grusch (statement here) along with former Navy pilots Ryan Graves (statement) and David Fravor (statement).
Graves and Fravor are both well-known to UFO junkies, having gone public with their encounters in 2019 and 2014, respectively. Grusch is a relative newcomer, and yesterday’s clear star witness, making a number of truly outrageous (which is not to say impossible!) claims under Congressional oath.
What a thrill it was to watch CSPAN for 2.5 hours on a Wednesday morning! It was almost like being a 21-year-old political science major again, idealistic enough to find a floor debate interesting and not existentially depressing. Mary figured out how to broadcast the livestream on TV (beyond my capabilities), and made us avocado toast (Shout-out to The Dilly Dally!). At its peak, the YouTube stream was being watched by over 110,000 people, which tells me you and I are not alone.
Here are the five biggest takeaways from yesterday’s hearing.
1. When Tim Burchett wished his wife a happy anniversary moments before asking David Grusch if anyone’s been murdered by UFOs.
Right before this clip, he clarified that the UFO shape being referenced was “tic tac,” not “Tik Tok, like the communist Chinese app.” He also said “dadgummit” upwards of three times. (This is the famous video being referenced — one of three acknowledged by the Pentagon in 2020.)
2. Grusch claimed he has personal knowledge of people having been injured and/or murdered in efforts to cover up extraterrestrial technology.
Technically, Grusch said he “has to be careful” re: murder, but it was strongly implied he believes it’s happened. On many of the finer points, Grusch deferred, saying he could say more in a closed room, or SCIF (sensitive compartmented information facility). Toward the end of the above clip, though, you’ll note that Rep. Burchett says he was denied access to a SCIF for that purpose. o_O
3. Grusch said he knows of multiple colleagues who have been injured by UAPs.
I didn’t get this recording myself, but here’s the clip. Not only is Grusch saying that people have killed/harmed other people in the course of attempting to keep UFOs secret (duh, we’ve all seen The X-Files), he’s also saying that UFOs have harmed people he knows personally. That! Is! Crazy!!!!!!! Why is EVERYONE not freaking out?!
Grusch also said “I have to be very careful here ... [but] what I personally witnessed, myself and my wife, was very disturbing.” (Curious why he invoked his wife here, and what the circumstances were in which she would have also seen these things? Let’s get her in there!)
4. Grusch said the U.S. government has recovered “non-human biologics” from crashed UFOs.
Grusch does not say so explicitly here, but implied that these “biologics” were piloting the recovered crafts. Regarding specifics, he again requested a SCIF.
5. AOC asked Grusch “where to look” for information on secret government/contractor spending on the UFO cover-up. (~4:17)
“If you could just name… anything” made me laugh.
In conclusion…
The UFO reddit I’m part of is mixed on whether or not the hearing was a huge disappointment, but I was pleasantly surprised. I am not sure why anyone expected Grusch to share specific details, if he truly believes himself in danger; I thought what he said was plenty shocking enough! Now: was any of it true? We don’t know. Certainly it helps credibility that he was willing to say these things on Congressional record, but the bar for perjury is very high: so long as he believes these things — and was not willfully lying — he probably can’t be charged even if everything he said turns out to be bullshit. (Here’s an interesting analysis for the law nerds!)
Getting real answers would require an entirely different set of witnesses, as argued by John Greenewald, Jr., a government secret researcher whom I respect for being interested in (but skeptical of) contemporary UFO culture and figures like Lue Elizondo. (The list continues in a thread here.)
Who is in charge of granting access to (or denying) SCIFs to members of Congress? Within agencies like the Dept. of Commerce and the Dept. of Defense, it’s up to authorities there to grant the security clearance required, but I can’t really tell whose job — or authority — it would be to give one to, say, Rep. Burchett, AOC, and David Grusch. This is a smaller point, but I think speaks to our government’s ability to reshuffle policies according to personal interests. Will we ever know what (or who?) the non-human biologics are?! God, I hope.
Anyway. What a day! I hope you had as much fun as I did, or at least have fun reading this, now. The truth is out there!
xo
Katie
So... The Truth is Out There. But will it ever be found through a Congressional hearing?
Thanks for the deep-dive and excellent summary of proceedings!
I saw everyone posting XFiles memes yesterday and today, and while I knew it was about the UAP hearing, I kept saying to myself “I need to know what Katie thought of all this.” Thank you.